Discussion in ' Error Coins ' started by bradleymxzJan 2, Log in or Sign up. Coin Talk. Hello, my first post. I found an odd nickel while rolling nickels at my place of work. It appears to be a non-silver alloy S Jefferson Nickel. It appears to be of regular copper-nickel alloy. It is a little bit wore, most likely in good to very good condition, but has NO tarnish that you see on wartime nickels.
For the condition it is in, its has its original luster, which is odd. I have war time time nickels in nr mint condition that show tarnish. Also, this nickel does not make the ting sound of a war time nickel, but the same sound as a regular alloy nickel. It has the large letter S over monticello.
I was wondering if this could be another version of the Henning counterfeit nickel. I know he forgot to put the P above monticello, but ive also heard from many other people that he made nickels with different reverses. Is this a possible mint error? Striking a 44 S on copper nickel alloy or a counterfeit? Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.
Sounds really interesting, but we'll definitely need to see a picture first. JhonnJan 2, I'll get one up soon. Henning Counterfeit maybe? I doubt it is a Henning nickel. Those were No 'P'. I own one of the Henning nickels. They are very well-done and very interesting.
I know he counterfeited other dates buy I have not heard of any other war dates by Henning. I recommend you weigh your coin and compare it to the correct weight of war nickels. That should answer your question. HoboJan 2, The weight will help alot!
SpeedyJan 2, So what am I looking for opposed to 5 grams?These came to the attention of the FBI inapparently Francis Henning had been producing dated nickels for some number of years, and it is conjectured that he circulated approximatelyof them before he was caught.
Anothermay have been dumped into creeks or rivers in NJ and have never been located. One of the mysteries is why did he make them, considering that given the materials, work etc. Another giveaway that identifies this piece as a Henning counterfeit is the loop on the first part of the letter R in Pluribus - this has been found on a very few dated nickels and some from The other dates are considerably scarcer to find.
But as proof of the fact that the American public doesn't really look at their change, these nickels continued to circulate for many years.
It was not worth the considerable effort to make the public aware of them - and it is conjectured that the FBI turned over the blanks from these coins to the Philadelphia mint and they struck nickels on them in the mid 's.
Great share, SM. Did you find one of these recently? Also, that's pretty hilarious about the mint possibly using his blanks. No, I have been searching for years for one and had to buy this from another collector. They are difficult to find because nobody really wants to sell them. Thanks for posting the nickel. I vaguely remember reading about these in the past, but I think its the first time I've seen a picture of one.
Neat coin. Interesting nickel.
No wonder he lost money on them. It's really interesting that he both chose to counterfeit the second-smallest denomination of American coinage and decided to counterfeit a year with such a prominent mint mark.
Had he made an extradated nickels, they would probably still be circulating to this day. I had heard about these some time ago, but always assumed that he intended to sell his counterfeit nickels, not spend them. The die is a relatively good copy, but it just fails to convince me. I think it would probably stand out like a sore thumb if I ever saw one of these in person. Fear not, your secret is safe with me. I heard about Henning Nickles at Summer Seminar. Sound intresting, and I would love to find the ones he dumped into the river If it were up to me, I'd just let him humor himself right into bankruptcy.
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Paste as plain text instead.Mint-made errors are errors in a coin made by the mint during the minting process. Groups of coins with distinctive characteristics are known as varieties. The term variety applies to coins with both intended and unintended differences while the term error refers only to coins with unintended differences.
Nevertheless, not all errors are varieties. Although there may be many identical examples of a some errors, others are unique.
For example, there may be many indistinguishable examples of coins with a specific die crack, while off-center strikes tend to be unique. Being unique does not mean that an error is valuable. Although no other coin may be similar to a coin with an off-center strike, off-center strikes happen often enough that buyers can choose from many examples each of which varies slightly from the other.
Mint error coins can be the result of deterioration of the minting equipment, accidents or malfunctions during the minting process, or intentional interventions by mint personnel. Intentional intervention by mint personnel does not necessarily include a deliberate attempt to create an error, but usually involves an action intended to improve quality that miscarries and creates error coins instead. Errors can be the result of defective planchets, defective dies or the result of mistakes made during striking.
The planchet, die, and striking or PDS classification system happens to correspond with the mintmarks of the three largest U. Not all errors fall neatly within the categories. Sometimes design elements are missing from coins because die crevices are filled with grease. Labels used to identify specific categories of errors sometimes describe the cause of the error die crack, rotated die, clipped planchet.
Other errors names describe what the viewer sees when looking at the coin wavy steps, trails, missing element while others have names that were adapted for use mule, cud, brockage.
The result is that some errors are known by multiple names. Filled die errors are also known as missing design element errors and as strike throughs. As is noted below under the discussion of missing design element coins, some errors have multiple causes.
1944P wartime nickel error?
S nickel struck on top of a 5 centavos. S coin planchet or vice versa are very uncommon and hold a high value. Authentic error coins should not be confused with coins that are damaged after being minted, which is known as post-mint damage. Mints purchase long strips of metal which are fed through blanking machines that punch out disks known as blank planchets or simply as planchets or blanks  on which coins are struck.
This determines the size and shape of eventual coins. The punched disks are first known as "type-1 blanks or planchets ". The disks are called "type-2 blanks or planchets " after an upending mill adds uniform, rounded rims. Type-2 blanks may also be considered striking errors as they are prepared correctly, but are released without having been struck. A misfeed can occur when the metal strip is fed through the blanking machine. The punches sometimes overlap the leading edge of the metal producing a straight clip.
Sometimes, the punches strike an area of the strip which overlaps the hole left by the previous strike producing a curved clip. Coins are sometimes struck on planchets that are either too thin or too thick producing underweight or overweight coins. This can be because the equipment settings cause the metal strip to be rolled to an incorrect thickness or because the metal strip was intended for another coin denomination such as a quarter planchet cut from a metal roll intended for dimes.
A lamination flaw is a planchet defect that results from metal impurities or internal stresses. Lamination flaws cause discoloration, uneven surfaces, peeling, and splitting. Many modern coins are made of layers of different metals known as clads. These cladding layers sometimes peel, fold, or completely separate. Mints use hubs bearing raised images similar to the images that appear on a coin to imprint indented images onto the ends of steel rods.
Those rods become the dies which strike planchets making them into coins. Hub and die errors can occur at the time dies are made, when the dies are installed into presses, and from die deterioration during use.Search CCF Members. Active Users.
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The S Jefferson nickel seems to have emerged as the most difficult of the wartime silver alloy nickels, at least in MS with full steps. However, wartime alloy Jefferson nickels are a group where we are still learning exactly which dates are more available and which are tougher.
Traditionally we have paid little attention to which dates might be better in this group, in large part because they are from the World War II period when high mintages were sometimes the case. Even when the mintages were low, such as the 15, D, they were not that low when compared to other Jefferson nickels. As a result, the general feeling was that the wartime silver alloy nickels were an available group. In some respects we were taking a very special group for granted.
The wartime nickel alloy makes these nickels a true souvenir of World War II. The idea was to conserve copper and nickel as the two metals might be needed for fighting the war. That resulted in a new alloy of 56 percent copper — which was down from 75 percent — 35 percent silver, and 9 percent manganese.
Unlike the special wartime alloy for the cent, which was unpopular with the public, the wartime nickel alloy seemed to be generally accepted and was used from the fall of through The coins were marked by having a larger than normal mintmark that was moved to a position above Monticello on the reverse.1944 S War Nickel - Patriot Coin Reviews - Educational Coin Review of 1944 S Jefferson War Nickel
Even coins produced at Philadelphia had a mintmark. That was a first for U. The S, with a mintage of 58, would fall right in the middle in terms of mintage. For many years that resulted in very average prices as, realistically, with the grading and grading service totals we have today the working assumption for everyone was that the availability of a date like the S would reflect its mintage. In recent years, however, there has been something of a price evolution.
What limited information we have from grading services has suggested that some of the dates do not reflect their mintages in terms of numbers available. The P, for example, has emerged as one of the better dates in MS despite the fact that it has a mintage of nearly million.
That could change, but for now the S is the date to watch in MS with full steps. You must be logged in to post a comment. Get Help. Browse our industry directory of coin dealers onlineworld coin dealerspaper money dealerscoin collecting suppliescoin auctions and more. Numismatic News. Newsletter Coin Magazines. Search for:.
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Attending the coin show completed one of their requirements and also enabled the scouts to complete their collections requirements if they were missing any coins Numismatic Directory Browse our industry directory of coin dealers onlineworld coin dealerspaper money dealerscoin collecting suppliescoin auctions and more.Log in or Sign up. Coin Talk. Would love thoughts. TylerHJan 28, Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.
Partially clipped planchet? Or Maybe a lamination issue.
1945 S Jefferson Nickels
Seems to be a bit of the Blakesley effect. May need a pic of the coin straight on, laying flat on something instead of your fingers. See what others say. SlipperySocksJan 28, What's that on the reverse 2nd column from the right. Hookman likes this. I agree with SlipperySocks. It would be abnormal for a coin of such condition to have such a giant dent in it. A picture of the coin on a flat surface could help determine exactly what the dent is. Here are some photos I found on the internet where the Blakesley Effect is easily observed they do not belong to me.
If your coin has the Blakesley Effect, it is fair to assume that the dent is actually a small clip in the planchet mint error.
USCoinCollector42Jan 28, Nice coin, I'm sure the reason it is in such nice condition is due to the defect it has. I think your coin was struck on a defective planchet, maybe from the end of the metal strip that blanks are cut from.
Have you weighed your coin to see if it has the correct weigh? TylerHJan 29, Cracked planchet? Some kind of lamination delamination on his jacket? I am wondering if this coin is a better keeper than one without the defect. Like the guy thought he was sending you a bad coin, and it turns out this one is worth more. Last edited: Jan 29, Michael KJan 29, Michael K likes this.
I am personally leaning towards damage and would like some clearer photos to get a better idea. Such a small clip would not create a Blakesley effect. Seattlite86Jan 29, Oldhoopster likes this. The flat pics are coming out awful so here are 2 of the area in question:. Pickin and Grinin likes this.
That looks like a struck-in rim burr. TylerHJan 30, Google it.Discussion in ' Error Coins ' started by dlgillesApr 19, Log in or Sign up. Coin Talk. I found this D nickel the other day, while I was going through some of my father-in-law's old coins. I don't know much about error coins, but to me it looks like this nickel must've been bad before it was stamped?
Thanks ahead for your thoughts. Log in or Sign up to hide this ad. Nothing wrong with the front, just a very circulated condition coin, but the chip out of the back is pretty unique.
If they were plated, I would expect the plating is chipped, but that's not the case. Looks like a winner, a legitimate error. It's called "lamination" on the rev. Nice find! TJApr 19, Like TJ said, it's a lamination.
These are pretty common on the war nickels. Still, cool find. It might also be a strikethrough, but I'd need a better close-up to be sure. I just can't imagine a lamination error with lines so straight. These are fairly straight. Stevearino likes this. It's not a good nickel, but does the error give it a little value to error collectors? I'm trying to determine the value of my father in law's coins, so he knows about what to expect when he brings them in.
This nickel would probably have to be sold to an error collector. Thanks- good to know. I need to research these nickels a bit more! Steep learning curve, that's why I am here though! Show Ignored Content. Draft saved Draft deleted. Share This Page Tweet. Your name or email address: Do you already have an account? No, create an account now. Yes, my password is: Forgot your password?